Israel: Go for Unconditional Surrender

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What interests me about this whole thing is less the proportionality than the cause, the cause people have been taking a lot of care to avoid talking about. There's constant reference to Hamas doing all these rocket attacks (and yeah, that IS a bad thing that should be responded to by any intelligent nation), yet why would they do so? Why would they conduct such a horribly ineffectual attack (a whole four people dead) in the name of extinction?

The cause, I've read, is that Israel broke the truce, based on some supposed intel they had. The result was the deaths of some six people, another six captured. Hamas retaliates like the mindless fools they are, and somehow Israel feels this can only be a war to the bitter end?

I find it unbelievable how much they as a government, supported by the world's most powerful military, endless funding, their own supposedly premiere covert operations agencies and their own hardcore military... goes on and on about how they can't fight in proper proportion. They have amazing tactical and war powers at their advantage, and they can't do anything to take out their KNOWN targets other than blowing away lots of civilians? Are we supposed to take this claims of proportionality seriously?

Why would they conduct such a horribly ineffectual attack (a whole four people dead) in the name of extinction?

The cause, I've read, is that Israel broke the truce, based on some supposed intel they had. The result was the deaths of some six people, another six captured. Hamas retaliates like the mindless fools they are, and somehow Israel feels this can only be a war to the bitter end?

The reason Hamas attacks mindlessly without any care for their population is because their charter calls for the destruction of Israel AND the Gazan Arabs support Hamas in their goals.

I don't know what you have been reading but Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel ever since the so-called truce came into existence. If Israel finally found a moment to get some terrorists responsible for breaking the truce that does not make Israel the truce breaker since Hamas broke the truce from nearly day one.

I suspect the only thing holding the Israelis from finishing of the Hamas military infrastructure and any civilians supporting said infrastructure is because of the crazy PC diplomats that believe the suffering of the Arab refugees is the fault of Israel.

The fact is over the years since Israeli Independence and multiple Arab invasions, the invaders REFUSED to take their fellow Arabs into their own countries. The reason for this imputed suffering on innocent Arabs was to leave a propaganda tool behind to have an excuse to have future invasions and to create terrorists to do the work of anti-Semitic invaders without holding nation-states accountable.

When American pro-Arab State Dept officials and European Union gets their way and set up a sovereign Palestine, do you think the rockets will cease from Hamas?

NO!

In the long run a nation-state then can be held accountable (i.e. Palestine) and the continued attacks will spur an Israeli invasion and Palestine will be no more as it is nothing today.

The only other possible scenario is (of course) Hamas/Palestine attacking Israel and Israel sends their invading army in response and Second Holocaust perpetrator Ahmadinejad launches nuclear missiles to Israel. Then the Global War is on.

What I've been reading is the news that the press has given us. That news being that just over a week ago, Hamas began firing rockets into Israel in contravention of the truce, and that Israel responded. I actually had to dig to find out WHY they had just started up again... and the answer was in retaliation for Israel's actions - those actions being an attack based on intel prior to the firing.

Yes, there IS a question as to what that intel was, and exactly why Israel felt it was legitimate enough to violate their truce, but ultimately, it comes down to the fact that this time Hamas didn't initiate it. And the fact that they didn't makes me suspect that it was deliberately initiated by Israel so that they could escalate the situation when Hamas began it's predictable ineffectual attacks.

As for Israel caring what others think, don't make me laugh. They've made it clear they do not, even going so far as to attack anyone in the greater public forum who dares to criticize Israel as 'racist'. So long as they have the unconditional support of the USA no matter what they do, they'll continue doing whatever they feel like doing, no matter the outcry, no matter how right or wrong it is.

When it comes to taking in refugees, I think it's rather clear that nobody involved in the crises gives two hoots one way or another about the refugees. Not the Arabs, not the Israelis, not the USA.

Of course allowing Palestinian sovereignty won't stop Hamas, but it will be a supreme gesture of good will, and proof that Israel actually means what it says instead of breaking truces and blaming Hamas whenever they feel like it. God forbid they actually win any support from the Palestinians that way, right? There WAS a time when Jewish Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians were able to co-exist in relative peace, you know.

You suggest that Hamas and Palestine are one and the same, and that if one cannot exist, neither can the other. Hardly. Make Palestine a sovereign nation, hold Hamas accountable, and grant Abbas the backup they need to cut the cancer out. Make it clear that Abbas will be accountable for keeping the dregs of Hamas in line.

Inside Passage your information is flawed.

Let's see the truce was agreed upon between Hamas and Israel to begin on June 19, 2008. Part of that truce agreement was for Hamas to actively prevent Kassam missile being fired by other Islamic Terrorist organizations within Gaza.

Shortly after the so-called truce began, Kassam missiles were being launched from Gaza into Israel.

In just the time period between November 4, 2008 through December 16, 2008 190 missiles and 138 mortar shells were launched from Gaza into Israel.

Also Inside Passage a foreign power - viz. Iran - before and during the June 19 truce has been arming and providing complex military training for Hamas.

The official purpose for the truce was for Hamas to strengthen the Gaza economy in exchange for NO Hamas attacks inside Israel. The economy was a pretense to allow Iran to ship weapons and Iranian military trainers to Gaza. Certainly the continued (even if reduced) missile strikes inside Israel was an excellent excuse to blockade Gaza to slow down Iranian aid.

O yes, what is Iran's policy goal pertaining to Israel? That would be the same as Hamas; i.e. wiping Israel off the map.

And let us not forget that during this entire truce kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit has never been returned to the Land his kidnapped from; Indeed Hamas' supreme leader hiding in Syria has threatened to kidnap more soldiers as if further Hamas extortion would stop Israel.

It is about time for Israel to invade Hamastan and make it Gaza again.

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